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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Apr 8, 2013 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen

I wrote a post early Saturday on this thread, and as I went to post it the Archive went into maintenance - it was lost. Going back to your original thrust, totally agree with loathing the Doors and their thin, simplistic sound. Always hated the organ leads. Their only song that worked well was in movie context, in Apocalypse now. Never understood the deifying of Morrison.

I'm with you about Pigpen, up to a point. Although some "elders" here see him as essential to the band's early development and popularity, I can't find much to like in his strained vocals, pathetic harmonica, and tedious raps. Mr. Charlie and H2H are the best - because the music is so strong. Perhaps his strongest contribution is channeling some of the band's early energy into full-on blues, and helping JG become the guitarist that he was meant to be in the process.

I get that you think his schtick is totally misogynistic - it is - but I think it's the sincerest form of flattery when you idolize blues singers. He wanted to BE Lightnin' Hopkins or Robert Johnson in the moment, in the act of performing. He considered himself following in a long line of blues singers, with the same intent - getting some hooch and scoring with the ladies. Mostly harmless, until you use language as you cited, or drink yourself to death. I always hated his objectifying women by calling them his "rider" - as disposable as a motorcycle, but this term of 'endearment' can be found decades before Pig.

Bottom line - I can give Pig a pass most of the time, since it was a performance and not the man everyone knew in person. But, I can't give a pass to poor musicianship; nor can I tolerate most gangsta rap thuggery, since it also plays out in mayhem on the streets, even though it derives from similar roots.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 8, 2013 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen

I'm always pleased when we can be even somewhat on the same wavelength because I have great respect for most everything you post,and unlike some folks you seem to understand what I was getting at.The music stuff is subjective and really who cares,but there is just an overwhelming lack of respect tied into Pig's whole hard drinkin',macho man act,and why he is that way is immaterial.You can explain away almost any type of misbehavior,but that doesn't undo the harm it can cause,kind of like what you were saying about the effect of gangsta rap thuggery.